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Vertisce Soritenshi
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Posted - 2011.09.29 13:12:00 -
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CCP Sreegs wrote: That being said, if we feel there's a problem pattern developing we will take action to rectify it. Alliances and corporations should not be encouraging malicious/illegal activity and if we see evidence of this occurring action will be taken. I would heartily encourage alliances and corporations not to condone illegal activities.
You may want to have a word or two with your CSM chairman then. |

Vertisce Soritenshi
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Posted - 2011.09.29 14:35:00 -
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CCP Sreegs wrote:Apollo-Moor wrote:CCP Sreegs wrote:Not jumping into the heated rhetorical nature of this thread I did see some comments that I'd just like to get a statement on the record about. When making determinations regarding bans for botting the alliance, corporation, political beliefs, gender or any other anecdotal information about the offender aren't taken into account. At least not in a way that would be considered a net positive to the group the botter belongs to.
Detections determine the administrative action, not corporation or alliance membership.
That being said, if we feel there's a problem pattern developing we will take action to rectify it. Alliances and corporations should not be encouraging malicious/illegal activity and if we see evidence of this occurring action will be taken. I would heartily encourage alliances and corporations not to condone illegal activities. Blue-On-Blue Violence This is a sensitive GÇô even a touchy GÇô subject, so let me say that while he is, indeed, a keen ratter GÇô a very keen ratter if we are honest GÇô we have one rule in Goonswarm: we donGÇÖt **** other goons. Oh and we donGÇÖt play cop for CCP in their own game by reporting or petitioning goons, either: But if it were the case that he had been ratting just a little too exuberantly for peoplesGÇÖ liking, or if he had offended them by consistently ignoring their conversation requests for a brief window of, say, seventeen or eighteen hours, for instance, then it would be goon-****** to report him or to kill him. This will land you and your corp in trouble as all we know is that someone shot blues. You mean something along the lines of this? No, I mean evidence of coordinated wrongdoing. Just like I said. Feel free to email said evidence to [email protected]
You actually quoted a post in which you were directly quoted and I see nowhere that you said "evidence of coordinated wrongdoing". You specifically said " Alliances and corporations should not be encouraging malicious/illegal activity and if we see evidence of this occurring action will be taken.". Encouraging malicious/illegal activity would include threatening to evict someone from an alliance for reporting botting of another alliance member. By doing that you are basically saying it is ok to bot in our alliance because we will not report you. That is encouragement.
So...just like I said. You may want to investigate your CSM chairman and the botting activities of all the alliances that the current CSM members are a part of. We wouldn't want CCP to look hipocritical and foolish now would we?
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Vertisce Soritenshi
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Posted - 2011.09.29 15:13:00 -
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Alice Katsuko wrote:Most alliances prohibit blue-on-blue violence, simply as an administrative matter. Else it would be very easy for a pilot with an itchy trigger finger to shoot a suspected bot first and find out later that he was just alt-tabbed and AFK-ratting, or to shoot someone they don't like and claim that they thought it was a bot, or to simply suicide-gank alliance members and steal their modules under cover of bot hunting.
Mittens' main point is that suspected botters should be reported first to the alliance, that being suspected of botting does not make a pilot a target, and that he has a zero-tolerance policy for blue kills. Such a policy is hardly uncommon. While I wouldn't hesitate to report a botter, regardless of alliance or corporation, I wouldn't start ganking them until getting the go-ahead from corporation/alliance leadership. Because it would look rather bad if leadership thought I was hunting blues.
Zero tolerance policy on blue kills? Goonswarm? What? Unfortunately I have to disagree. I also have to disagree with your interpretation of "The Mittani's" address to his alliance. I seriously doubt he botheres removing people from his alliance for botting. |

Vertisce Soritenshi
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Posted - 2011.09.29 16:27:00 -
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Mara Tessidar wrote:Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:Zero tolerance policy on blue kills? Goonswarm? What? I'm not sure if it's your blind hatred for Goonswarm or your stupidity that makes you think that any alliance, let alone one of the largest in the game, would let its members run around shooting each other willy-nilly. (Counterpoint: TEST Alliance)
I am not sure if it's your blind faith in Goonswarm or your stupidity that makes you think recruiting members and then immediately destroying thier ship and podding them isn't considered killing blues. (FYI Goonswarm is well known for doing this.) |

Vertisce Soritenshi
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Posted - 2011.09.29 16:44:00 -
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Mara Tessidar wrote:Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:I am not sure if it's your blind faith in Goonswarm or your stupidity that makes you think recruiting members and then immediately destroying thier ship and podding them isn't considered killing blues. (FYI Goonswarm is well known for doing this.) As a Goonswarm RecruiterGäó I can assure you that no individual who has been accepted into a Goonswarm corporation has been immediately set upon and been robbed and killed. If we really don't like somebody we don't allow them in because that would mean they'd have access to all of Goonswarm's vast OOG resources and it would provide them an opportunity to be a nuisance before a director would revoke their privileges and undo their actions. Also your true motivation for calling Goons an evil botting empire is showing through there just a liiiiittle bit.
The definition of "denial" right there.
When did I call Goonswarm an "evil botting empire". I called out for an investigation not only against Goonswarm but all alliances in which any CSM member resides. I believe that if you are going to be in the CSM then not only you but your alliance as a whole should be held to a higher standard because you now (in a way) represent CCP. This is not to say that all players shouldn't be held to the same standard but it should be enforced more diligently on those who represent CCP. |

Vertisce Soritenshi
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Posted - 2011.09.29 17:03:00 -
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Mara Tessidar wrote:I also see you ninja-edited in a statement that is so utterly dumb I can't believe you have the spare neurons to breathe: the CSM does not represent CCP. They represent the people they were elected by. In the case of mittens, that would definitely not be you.
So utterly dumb huh? CSM represents (in part) CCP to the players and they represent the players to CCP. This is common sense. Just because I didn't vote for Mittani doesn't mean it is not his job to represent me as a player. What you are saying is like saying Obama doesn't represent all Americans. Only the ones who voted for him. IF what you say is true and that the CSM only represents those that voted for them than this entire CSM is nothing but a worthless waste of time and space and should be abolished since they appearently only represent a few thousand of the tens of thousands of players in EvE.
At least I know how to edit my posts and not have to double post. But really...before you start calling people "stupid" and "dumb" you should really think things over for yourself. I can't really fault you though...you ARE in Goonswarm. |

Vertisce Soritenshi
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Posted - 2011.09.29 18:33:00 -
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Actually...the unfortunate fact of the matter is that because the Goon powerblock is what got him elected the first time he will likely get elected again in the same way. Unless every remaining player in EvE actually votes and doesn't vote for him he will again be the chairman. |

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Posted - 2011.09.30 13:17:00 -
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Zagdul wrote:Cypermethren wrote:Lorren Canada wrote:What many people fail to realize is that alliances like the GSF, TEST and ESG all come from communities outside the game. They are not EvE online communities, but only minor subsets of much larger communities which span many games and many aspects of real life. Our strength comes from these communities, because we are held together by something more than our sov, our moons or our killboard stats. To report a bot, or someone who is in some way breaking the rules of a game played by the community, is placing that game above the greater community as a whole - your priorities are out of line. This weakens the community. I hate botting and rmt, but I would never report an alliance member as that would be putting a game ahead of the community.
In many (but not all) other alliances, the only thing people have in common with each other is they play an internet spaceship game and don't really care if they report each other. They are weak because they are only a collection of people with really nothing in common to hold them together, except maybe their sov. But if they lose this, they are prone to fly apart much as R.A.G.E. or Majesta Empire did. THANKYOU for proving another pont! It's safe to say - if people in GSF, TEST and ESG - care only about THEIR community, and not the EVE community - why should they ever be allowed to become a CSM and influence the direction that the game is going? This , again goes to further prove there is a serious conflict of interest with the CSM panel Because their community takes up quite a large portion of the game and they should be represented in order their game doesn't become unfun? Just a thought here.
Quite a large portion? lol...thats a delusion. You aren't even a quarter of the population of 0.0 which isn't even a quarter of the population of the entire game. Hell I am only guessing on the figures but I know for a fact you aren't a "large portion". |
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